She don’t speak, but she remembers…
Debunking the myth that Tumblr is only used and populated by kids.
Age Ranges of Tumblr’s Global Audience:
Tumblr sees about 150 million global unique visitors monthly. comScore, an Internet analytics firm, averaged Tumblr’s age ranges over the first quarter of 2014 for both Dashboard and blog network traffic worldwide:
- Ages 13 to 17: 15%
- Ages 18 to 34: 41%
- Ages 35 to 54: 29%
- Ages 55 and up: 15%
"People are often really surprised to note that we have the same percentage of 55-plus-year-olds as we do 13-to-17-year-olds," said Danielle Strle (strle), Tumblr’s director of product for community and content, in an NPR webinar. “But over half of our audience is solidly in the 13-to-34 demographic.”
- Georrge RR Martin, from my notes from when I met GRRM in 2005 at a signing. I asked him: “Some of the female members of the BWB would like to know if there are any upcoming steamy scenes with svelte, good looking men.”
(For the record, he brought up the boy-on-boy, not me.)
I love “But I’m gay/trans/PoC/female and it doesn’t bother ME!” arguments. They’re my favorite.
Just putting this out there that I am TIRED of the argument that because someone is old (or white/male/straight American/[insert privileged or stereotyped identity]) that we shouldn’t be surprised that he is uncomfortable with homosexuality (or doesn’t know what “people of color” means or doesn’t do diversity well or etc. etc. etc.) Anyone is capable of growth, learning, and change.
No one is forcing GRRM to give them representation. No one can force GRRM to do that. If anything, the people involved with the ASOIAF franchise like Linda Antonsson and D&D are actively forcing diversity out.
The logic people keep coming back to re: ASOIAF being a Middle Ages or medieval equivalent and that’s why certain things can’t happen.
You know what didn’t exist in the medieval era?
Dire wolves (long extinct by then)
and a lot more.
If you can believe that these things are present in the world of ASOIAF, you should be able to accept the presence of LGBT people. I’ll never understand why it’s easier to believe in supernatural creatures or anachronistic animals merging with history than it is to believe in this.
Also, LGBT people and relationships most definitely existed in the Middle Ages, so I don’t know who those people think they’re kidding…
Even if same—sex unions didn’t exist in Europe (and there’s plenty of evidence that they did http://www.theawl.com/2012/05/sex-and-punishment, http://www.nytimes.com/1994/06/11/us/beliefs-study-medieval-rituals-same-sex-unions-raises-question-what-were-they.html), same-sex unions existed in Africa, Asia, and the Americas etc. in the same time period.
Everything you’re saying has been said a million times before. And you know what? People DO write those stories. But damned if they don’t have a really really hard time getting them published. People don’t usually embrace something until it becomes popular, or is slipped into something already popular. It’s human nature. Funny thing though. GRRM is much more polite about the issue than some of his fans like you are, and actually acknowledges that he’s older white straight man, and that he probably has been affected by that status without realizing it.
And the idea that it’s only middle-class teenagers on tumblr who care about these issues is pretty silly. I’m not middle-class and I’m far from a teenager. I could say the same about so many of my followers, and people I follow.
You may not care about an issue, but thousands, millions, of others people do. Respect that.
I’d take that argument a step further - the fact that GRRM even has queer characters helps to fuel his sales. Queer people HAVE put our money into this. What we want is responsible, honest depictions of queer people including the fact that yes, queer people have sex.
Many people have been happy that GRRM included queer characters, myself included, but it doesn’t make me any less of a fan that I want to see more people who look like me, think like me, and act like me in the media I consume instead of needing to be forced to find a way to relate to straight white men.
Marginalised people deserve to see themselves and if an author writes an lgbtq character into their story, then they’ve taken on a responsibility to portray them accurately and to treat them like any other character.
I’m so tired of reading about how people who want representation are simply entitled whinging middle-class teenaged tumblr SJWs.
If you automatically think that any person who complains about the lack of representation is an SJW, then that’s an opinion rooted in bigotry. That’s an opinion meant to derail from the problem. That’s an opinion that seeks to position a serious problem like it’s not something that lgbtq people care about. It’s meant to silence those dissenting/critical voices.
Straight sex happens in ASOIAF without any purpose, without being necessarily relevant to the plot. The fact that heterosexuality is normalised— while lgbtq representation has to be “explained” and has to “have a purpose for the story”—is rooted in homophobia.
And the female scenes he wrote were not positive. The Dany/Irri ones were not based in the characters’ desire for one another. Irri was performing a duty as a servant, and Dany was using her in place of the man she really wanted, to help her get off. The AFFC scene I won’t spoil, but one of those characters isn’t on the show yet and I don’t think she will be. And that scene was another one about power dynamics, and the POV character thinking about her previous husband most of the time. Not in a happy way. It was a character piece, and not sensual, not about those two women being together.
His explanation is weak, for sure, because he has plenty of pointless heterosexual sex scenes where it’s basically window dressing. And it doesn’t bother me to have that sexual world. I just wish it was more equal. And it’s a fantasy world, so he can make up his own rules about what is and isn’t acceptable in that society.
Sure, we’ve come this far!
Call it morbid curiosity.
“I put gay characters in the books, but they’re not the viewpoint characters so I did not have any explicit gay sex scenes in the early books,” he explained at the Edinburgh International Book Festival.
“I’m not going to do it just for the sake of doing it. If the plot lends itself to that, if one of my viewpoint characters is in a situation, then I’m not going to shy away from it. But you can’t just insert things because everyone wants to see them.” Oh we see what you did there, George.
Hm, Jon Connington does have a POV doesn’t he? I don’t think he’s retracting Connington being gay, but I think he’s determined for Connington to remain sad and celibate.
I’m gonna try to phrase this as respectfully as possible…I’m not going to go ahead and say what I immediately thought about his comments. He might not be homophobic and might not have meant for his comments to sound homophobic, but that’s the impact of his words. When you compare scenes that he’s written where “straight” women like Dany and Cersei have sex with other women in the narrative, then the statement that “there will be no on-page intimacy between men in asoiaf because none of the men are gay” falls apart. According to the story he’s written, none of his characters have to be necessarily in love with someone to have sex with them. Connington can be sad and forever in love with Rhaegar and have sex with other people.
I can’t take him seriously when he seems to pander to his straight white male audience when convenient, yet claims that he respects women and that he tries to portray interesting characters from all walks of life. It seems like he thinks that he’s going above and beyond with the diversity in his books, when he’s doing the bare minimum. I’ve been guilty of giving him kudos for including a sprinkling of diverse characters (because I’m so starved for them), but every interview he’s given in the last few years has made me rethink my position even further. He’s not as progressive as he believes himself to be and instead of being more introspective about that fact, he just makes excuses.
I can’t help but compare this to comments from Steven Deknight regarding gay couples on Spartacus,
"One of the other things that I’m still to this day getting comments about is, and I put this in air quotes, "all the gay shit" in my show. And people asking me to tone it down, which I always say no. I mean, as far as I’m concerned it’s barely in there to start with. And it was part and parcel of this world and it’s part and parcel of our world now. So I just - yes, I ignore that. If people want to stop watching the show because two guys kiss, well, I shrug my shoulders. You know, that that will always be in there."